tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 16, 2012 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
>> sean was the killer and i was a lover. i now say that daniel craig is the real killer. >> roger moore. all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts now. >> good evening. we begin with breaking news. explosions. tonight, as many as 2,000 israeli forces are positioned at the border, poised to launch a ground attack if the order comes. israel's cabinet has authorized the call-ups of up to 75,000 reservists. a member of israel's government who is not aligned with prime minister netanyahu's coalition, said the violence seems to be beyond control, end quote. the u.s. state department is calling it a very dangerous situation. president obama talked to the leaders of israel and egypt and we are told secretary of state clinton has been working the phones trying to muster international pressure to diffuse the situation rockets have been flying both ways.
that was an israeli missile strike right there in gaza. israel is aiming at terrorist targets and that's what it looks and sounds like from a distance. here it is up close during an interview with ani israeli and palestinian who are in the thick of it. >> let me jump in there, mohammed. when you hear him describe the situation where he is, what goes through your mind? >> sorry. that is one thing. carry on with your question. [ indiscernible ] >> the palestinian health minister says at least 30 people have been killed in gaza, 300 wounded. many of them children and women. he says we can't independently verify those numbers. cnn's sara sidener has seen the missiles up close and is reporting in very dangerous conditions. >> we have to leave this area now because there are air strikes, and we can hear the
planes and we've also seen rockets coming from a neighborhood just from the other side. >> today egypt's prime minister is in the dark jacket visited a hospital in gaza city to see the damage first hand. how egypt will respond to the crisis is a big concern tonight and more on that in a moment. meantime, new evidence that hamas has weapons powerful enough to reach farther into israel. two of its rockets hit just south of jerusalem and others got close enough to tel aviv to set off air raid sirens. this video posted on the al qods brigade to show the rockets hamas is using. the u.n. ambassador called the targeting of jerusalem and tell aviv an escalation by hamas. three israelis have been killed since wednesday and there's a lot to get to and we begin with sarah in gaza city. you've seen missile fire explosions earlier. what are you seeing and hearing now? >> just a few minutes ago another targeted air strike. we hear a loud blast and that's been happening throughout the day. this afternoon it was just like hell here, to be perfectly honest, for the residents here.
there were blasts after blasts after blasts and when you looked up in the sky you also saw the telltale signs of rockets being sent from here to israel. the entire sky at one point looked like it was criss-crossed with rockets, a very, very dangerous situation here in gaza. we also, anderson, went to the hospital and the hospital, the doctors there and nurses there completely overwhelmed. every 15 minutes people were coming in including men, women and children, anderson. >> is there any indication that hamas will stop firing? >> reporter: look, we talked to one of the hamas leaders and what they said is when israel stops hitting them with air strikes and stops bombarding us we will stop sending rockets into israel. it's kind of a catch 22, who is going to stop and when, anderson? >> sara, stand by. i want to bring in ben wedeman, who has experience in the
region. tonight he is in the israeli town of ashkelon, that has been hit repeatedly by rocket fire, and also the jerusalem bureau chief for "the new york times" is in gaza city and joins us by phone. what are you seeing and what are you hearing? >> reporter: what we are seeing here is that the town is pretty much deserted, not a lot of people out and about although earlier we were next to a sushi restaurant where there were a fair amount of customers. we spoke to the mayor who talked about the difficulties of trying to manage a town of more than 100,000 people living under these conditions and we spoke to one resident here who interestingly enough said he was happy that rockets were fired from gaza into near jerusalem and tel aviv. he said finally. other israelis outside of this area around gaza are getting a feel, getting a taste of what it's like to live under the threat of rockets. so certainly here in ashkelon, you have real frustration that they simply cannot live a normal
life with the constant threat of rockets coming in from gaza. >> israel says they are doing targeted strikes into gaza city. the hamas rockets are obviously not so precisioned. back in 2006 you visited one of those rocket-making factories in gaza. what was it like and how has that changed how they're making weapons now? >> well, it's something of an overstatement to call it a factory. it was just a couple of rooms in a house in a gaza suburb. and it was really quite crude. they were mixing the propellent there on the scene and they were very worried they could do something wrong in the mixture and the whole place could go up in smoke. what we've seen since 2006 is a real change in the kind of weaponry that hamas and the other organizations in gaza have their hands on. those rockets we were seeing in gaza back in 2006 had a range of
somewhere between six and 12 kilometers. now we're seeing rockets that clearly are not homemade, so to speak in gaza. the rockets that are being fired in the direction of jerusalem and tel aviv clearly have been smuggled through the tunnels. these are probably soviet-era medium-range missiles. they don't have guidance systems so they're just sort of aimed in a certain direction, but certainly the range and the potential harm that these missiles can cause has changed dramatically over the last six years. >> interesting. >> you're in gaza city and you've driven around to numerous locations. are you seeing any indication that hamas or other groups there are expecting a ground operation? >> reporter: it's a little difficult to tell. i certainly don't see people on the street necessarily preparing. i saw late this afternoon -- i saw quite a number of people on the street.
many fewer than normally in gaza city and more than thursday when i got here for the first time. >> go ahead. >> going around helping each other and kids playing and it did not look like people were preparing for an operation. there were very long lines at gas stations because they're cut off, but other than that, i didn't see a lot of -- >> what are you hearing on the radio there in gaza city, jodi? >> reporter: we're, you know, a couple of different kinds of things. actually, i was going to mention when my colleague was talking about the rockets, was there a lot of hamas announcements today proudly taking credit for various operations and some truth and some denied by the israeli military and one thing they were talking about was a new kind of rocket called an m-75 named after ibrahim, a senior hamas political official
assassinated in 2003 and 75 kilometers is supposedly the range of the missile and he said those are the missiles that went toward jerusalem today. >> we'll talk to reza in egypt in a few minutes. what is your sense of the regional involvement in this? could egypt and other nations take steps to more actively show their support for the palestinians? >> reporter: well, for instance, egypt, anderson has to walk a very fine line. on the one hand, mohammed morsi from the muslim brotherhood does express support for hamas which is an offshoot of the egyptian muslim brotherhood, but at the same time he has to be very careful when it comes to crossing any red lines regarding the peace treaty between israel and egypt that dates back to the late 1970s, but certainly it's a huge change from just four years ago when the war was going on between gaza and israel.
when president hosni mubarak, basically, it was well understood that he had no sympathy for hamas because, of course, the muslim brotherhood were his main political enemies and therefore, this situation is completely different, but morsi and egypt has to really tread carefully because many egyptians have no desire whatsoever to get involved in any sort of conflict with israel. egyptians will tell you we fought war after war with israel and we don't want to go down that path again. >> stay safe and thank you all for your reporting. last night we aired this video showing a man being pulled from flames in gaza. after the video aired we were pointed to an israeli website, to another image, this image, the man who was being dragged standing and conscious. the allegation made was that the
man was playing for the cameras when he was soon dragged away and was not dragged and wounded. it came from the news agency righters and their did not include the image of the man standing. we asked reuter's about it today. they say they don't know the source of the image of the man standing or when that image was shot. they also said they never saw or shot any similar image. the bottom line is we can't independently verify when that image of the man standing was taken before or after the other image was taken of the man being dragged away. we will not be using either image again. this is not only a traditional military conflict and one being waged in the media and our only goal in all of this is to report the truth, the facts on all fronts and it's why we've sent so many producers and reporters into the field. let us know what you think. follow me, i'll be tweeting tonight. what is it like on the ground for the people living there and what with the stakes are for the entire region if israel sends ground forces into gaza, next. ♪
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in gaza tonight, the mood is very tense. israeli is poised to begin a ground attack if they get the go-ahead. israel has been pounding gaza with missile strikes in retaliation for ongoing rocket attacks by hamas. we got a notion of how intense the bombing in gaza is, and we were talking to a palestinian man -- excuse me, in gaza and another man in ashkelon. watch. >> when you hear him say that, when you hear him describe the situation where he is, what goes through your mind? >> sorry. carry on with your question. >> we're having -- [ indiscernible ] >> that was mohammed suleman, his connection was cut off a moment or two later. he joins us now. muhammad, you gave our viewers on cnn international quite a scare. what's it been like today?
>> yeah. today it's been actually a little bit calmer than last night which if i might say was one of the most terrible nights i had in my entire life. the neighborhood i was staying at which is on the gaza strip was bombed throughout the whole night. there were about 30 bombs which targeted my own area alone and with every bomb the whole building was shaking back and forth and most of the families staying in my area have moved out including my family who also left our place -- left our house and left to another place which they think might be relatively safer. i am staying at at the moment and it's also in the midst of the gaza strip. so the situation -- there is a bomb or there's art ilrow shooting and there are
palestinian rockets being fired into israel. the situation is completely dangerous here and it's not safer at all to be out in the street. everyone is trying to avoid being in the street, but who people like my friends are trying to be in an area where there is electricity, so we have to be constantly which is basically what makes -- what makes it difficult for us to stay away from danger. >> mohammed sulaiman, i appreciate you speaking to us. >> a u.s. official said if it would be a disastrous escalation if israel were to launch a ground assault. and all-out fighting, long time rulers in the region such as hosni mubarak were forced from
power from popular revolt. joining me is reza. in cairo. and we also have a senior fellow here in new york. the egyptian prime minister met with hamas today and he classified hamas as a terrorist organization. should washington be concerned about israel's role in the conflict. >> reporter: anderson, it's impossible to say what egypt's role is at this point. it is not clear at this point if the fiery rhetoric is just rhetoric or if there's something beyond that or prepare for example more drastic measures. i think we'll find out in the days and weeks to come, but people in washington are listening to this explosive rhetoric and they are concerned, but if you look carefully there's not much happening beyond the rhetoric. i don't think egypt can describe
this and viewed as extreme, belligerent departure from the past and they certainly haven't taken arms against israel will and providing material support to hamas and they've come out and said loud and clear that we're going to abide by the camp david accords, the peace accords between camp david and israel and these are all early indications that president morsi has taken a calculated decision and not to disrupt the alliances that are in place and it should come as a relief right now to washington and tel aviv and it could anger the arab streak. >> look, i think, this is really what we have. the egyptians have tremendous attachment to the palestinians and not all arab states are enamored of the palestinians the way the egyptians are. the historic ties between egypt and gaza in particular and egypt ruled gaza for something like 19 years or so.
so, of course, there is a sense of outrage in egypt and anyway, we should remember it was never good between egypt and israel even under mub abak, but what the israelis now miss is sulaiman and the vice president of mubarak. he was tied to israeli intelligence. what kind of proximity and that kind of affinity is gone and what you have in hamas now is the sense that there is an islamist wage in the region and they see the islamist government in tunisia and they look around and see turkey hovering over the region with an islamist government and they feel the wind is blowing their way. >> do you think it is blowing their way? >> not at all because in the end the hamas people would be fooling themselves and the palestinians would pay the price for this kind of folly because the arab world is not going to march to the tune of hamas. the saudi monarchy, if you listen to what's happening and
what's coming out of saudi arabia, the only thing the saudi monarch said was we need the rule of reason to prevail in the region. so is anyone going to risk the stability and security for hamas not at all and the egyptian patrons of hamas, they really worry about their own country. >> they have economic problems. >> not only that, in the end, the egyptians have fought four wars in israel and they don't want to go back to the past. reza, we're protesting in tahrir square today. what are people on the ground there telling you? >> reporter: we should point out the protests were relatively small and nowhere near the protests we've seen in the past in tahrir square and that could have something to do with the aggressive pr push by the egyptian government to speak out against the israeli government, but the egyptian people want a tougher stance by the egyptian government against the israeli government and some are calling
for egypt to back out of the peace according and many are saying the world should focus the root cause of this and that is the occupation of palestinian territories. many egyptians say the world and the media is losing focus now, that the conflict has started keeping track of who's firing what rocket. they say the world should keep the focus on the root cause and that is the occupation of palestinian territories, anderson. >> reza saya, i appreciate you being on tonight. touch. >> a lot more to report tonight. one congressman is toning down the message on the benghazi attack. this after testimony from david petraeus on capitol hill. last night on the program, congressman peter king accused the white house of changing the talking points on the attack. changing the talking points from one they got from the intelligence community to the ones they got from susan rice. the message today is much different. we're keeping them honest next get cleansing results as effective as a $200 system. guaranteed or your money back. olay pro-x.
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honest" report. we're not offering our opinion or trying to play favorites and we're not supporting democrats or republicans as they do on other cable channels, finding the facts, the truth there's still value in that. the benghazi attack and the toned down message from one congressman today. republican congressman peter king, a member of the house intelligence committee. former cia director david petraeus testified about the attack before the committee today in a closed-door session and he did the same on the senate side. the retired general was on the hill for five hours. according to congressman king, petraeus told them the attack on benghazi was an act of terrorism committed by al qaeda, christopher stevens and three other americans were killed in that assault. five days after the attack on the sunday morning talk shows there was no talk of a terrorist attack from susan rice, the u.s. ambassador to the u.n.
she kept her talking points and blamed the deadly attack on outrage over an anti-muslim movie although she did say it was early in the days of the investigation and there was the possiblist an al qaeda group being involved in the escalation of violence, but at that point they had not been able to decide one way or the other who was involved and those talking points were first put out by the cia and went through various agencies and even the white house before ambassador rice used them on september 16th. last night on this program congressman king put the blame squarely on the white house for changing the talking points. watch. >> the intelligence community said that al qaeda was involved. that was taken out by someone in the white house. the intelligence agency said -- >> that's not what the dni said. >> i'm telling you what he told us today and i'm telling you what was their reporting on 12th, 13th and 15th, there were intelligence estimates saying al qaeda was directly involved somehow after that was prepared by the intelligence community that was taken out after it went to the white house and that was
a very serious issue. >> that was congressman king last night on "360." the dechl democratic congressman did not have that same perception listening from the same briefing that day. keeping them honest, this morning only 12 hours later. mr. king seemed to change his tune. after his committee met with retired general petraeus, it was no longer putting blame directly on the white house. listen. >> it is still not clear how the final talking points emerged. he said he went through a long process involving many agencies and the department of justice or the state department and no one knows yet exactly who came up with the final version of the talking points other than to say the original talking points prepared by the cia were different from the ones finally put out. >> congressman king saying it is not clear how the talking points emerged and what agency. as for his original claims the white house changed them. the white house and the state department says they offered one
edit, changing consulate to diplomatic facility for accuracy. what ambassador rice referenced on the sunday morning talk shows, quote, the currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the u.s. diplomatic post in benghazi and subsequently its an ex. the white house edit didn't even make it into the final version. we invited congressman king and he declined due to a scheduling conflict and tonight there's another development on the talking points. senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins me right now. you heard congressman king last night and today. doesn't seem to be pointing a finger necessarily at the white house now, but he does still think that the talking points are altered, is that right? >> he does still think they've been altered and it turns out that today it does appear to be right, anderson. pam benson was told that the original draft of the unclassified talking points to
be sent to the intelligence committee did suggest that the benghazi attack had links to al qaeda. it was taken out, but the senior official with knowledge of this process says it was not taken out by the white house and it wasn't a white house decision, but a joint interagency decision. they decided to tone it down and they replaced it with the term extremists and the reason we are told that that was done was not political, but because the al qaeda link at the time was still tenuous and they wanted to also protect the source of that information because it was so fresh. >> as my memory serves, susan rice who was on "face the nation", who went on to say that the demonstrations which were not demonstrations were hijacked by extremist groups and she wasn't sure if it was al qaeda affiliated or libyan extremists or who it was and it was still in the early days of the examination. did petraeus' testimony today seem to clear up why ambassador rice went on the talk shows five days after the attacks and attributed the assault to a spontaneous protest that was hijacked?
>> know this is going to shock you, but it cleared up confusion and the answer to that question it depends who you ask and it doesn't change the minds of republicans saying that susan rice is not qualified to be secretary of state, but what did come out that i thought was interesting is that petraeus told lawmakers that the reason the talking points did not mention the terrorists. the al qaeda affiliates wasn't really clear that they were actually involved and more importantly, it was still classified and it could have compromised the intelligence sources at the time. another interesting thing that happened today is that democrats politically tried much harder to explain the difference between classified information that government officials knew and unclassified information that people like susan rice and others could actually talk about publicly. in fact, democrats emerged much more aggressive and defending rice and diane fine stine who sometimes much to the chagrin of fellow democrats refuses to jump
into the political fray and she did today and went after republicans for, in her words, pilaring rice and assassinating her character. >> in a congressional hearing representative dana rohrabacher, republican from california, said president obama lied to the american people. my interview with the congressman next. you're saying that the director of national intelligence is lying about what the intelligence was. >> no, no, you're saying that. have i used the word lie with the director of national intelligence? that's what you're saying. >> okay. >> that's your conclusion and your conclusion is based on what you're trying to come to that conclusion. everybody else in this country -- >> sir, you can continue shouting me down as much as possible and not let me complete a sentence if that's what you want to do. questions?
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more fallout from the benghazi attacks. david petraeus testified in closed-door sessions before the senate and house intelligence committees. petraeus said the deadly assault on september 11th was the work of al qaeda affiliates. other briefings were held yesterday involving other insiders and experts. congressman dana rohrabacher who was very clear on who he was blaming for the lingering questions in benghazi eight weeks later. listen. >> what is clear is that this administration, including the president himself has intentionally misinformed, read that, lied to the american people in the aftermath of this tragedy. now the president obama has the gall to float the name as possible secretary of state. the name of the person who is the actual vehicle used to misinform the american people
during this crisis and the dishonesty reflect individual of this is a little bit breathtaking. >> congressman rohrabacher the outrage that susan rice might be nominated to replace secretary of state hillary clinton. we spoke with him earlier. appreciate you being with us. you said that president obama lied to the american people in the aftermath of the benghazi attacks. what are you saying he lied about and what evidence do you actually have that he lied? >> we have all kinds, and everybody in the country heard him and people speaking for him, but the president as well, talking about movie rage as being by a crowd that got out of control and killed ambassador and three other diplomatic personnel and before the united nations over and over again making reference to movie rage, and this is to everyone who was listening to the show tonight
and they can remember that. and the national intelligence has said publicly, and there were multiple streams of information and they have information that led the agency to -- >> oh, come on. >> i worked in the white house, too. and i'm glad -- are they lying? what i'm telling you, the director of national intelligence is using the words that can give a little out,. >> that's not what he testified to on capitol hill. two days after at stack. >> i understand what he
testified today was that they new right away. we had several -- look, anybody out there who thinks from was a movie from the first minute of attack indicating that there was no -- there's no film of demonstrators outside of the consulate. this was a major attack. last night i talked to the head of the intelligence committee here in congress and he just confirmed within a few minutes they knew this was a terrorist attack. if he knew that and the video showed that, that was transmitted immediately to the white house. that's what i worked in the white house and i know that's what happens. you have a situation room which has kept up to the second on information like this. >> but sir, what you're alleging
though, is factually it goes against the facts as have been presented by the director of intelligence and general petraeus -- >> no, you don't have the packs of what the position is & because petraeus -- >> you weren't there either. you weren't in the room today so you're getting secondhand information. >> no, i'm not getting secondhand information. >> i'm getting firsthand information from the co-chairman of the intelligence committee who was also gone on the record saying within a very short period of time of when the attacks started they knew it wasn't a demonstration. >> he -- >> no, no, he knew, meaning they, it was being broadcast live to the intelligence operations in washington, d.c. they knew and don't tell me they wouldn't have transferred that directly to the situation room. >> i'm trying to understand the logic of what you're saying. you're saying that the director of national intelligence is lying about what the intelligence was. >> no, no. you're saying that. have i used the word lying with the director of national intelligence. >> that's what you're saying. that's your conclusion and your
conclusion is based on what you're trying to come to that conclusion. everybody else in this country -- >> but sir, you can continue to shout me down -- >> you can shout me down as much as you want, but i'm telling you the director -- >> oh, no, you can repeat the national director security and repeat that a dozen times and that does not negate what the american people know now and you're trying to say the president of the united states was totally out of touch with the fact that his people have been murdered by radical islamic terrorists and that he was out of touch with that. >> no, he wasn't out of touch with that. i've worked in the white house. i know what the -- what the procedures are. the president was notified right away as to what this was going on. >> i understand your suspicions on the line. i'm just wondering the logic behind why public official susan rice, general petraeus and the president would lie knowing full well that the truth would ultimately come out and the alternate explanation is they were given wrong intelligence
and they would have been more suspicious of that intelligence and perhaps they spun the intelligence they were given, but couldn't it just be a matter of wrong intelligence as we've seen before? >> i think it is less likely that there is incompetence at the cia and incompetence at the national security council that they -- that they ended up giving the president of the united states false information. i think there is less likelihood of that than if the president was in battle mode and in the middle of a campaign and felt that any type of things that made it look like the islamic threat, the radical -- the radical islamic threat is still upon us would be harmful to him politically. so i can't say that was his motive. i don't know what was going on in his head, but it's not likely that the national security council and the cia didn't do their job, thus the president wasn't informed. >> congressman dana rohrabacher, appreciate your time. thank you, sir.
>> back now with dana bash and fran townsend. fran recently visited libya with her employer. you have been critical about how it's handled the situation. isn't it an overreach to say that the president is lying? when i asked him for actual evidence, he didn't seem to have any. >> he didn't seem to let you talk, anderson. you could barely get the question out. i think it's a stretch. i'm not prepared to say that president is lying. i don't think that they handled the protection of the consulate running up to the attack very well or the aftermath of it. i don't think explained it very well to the american people. i don't think we can say at this point that we have evidence that the president lied. it's interesting. obviously the president was aware very early on that there was a possibility that this had been a terrorist attack. and i go back to his statement in the rose garden. he talked about the protests,
the attack and the tragedy and made sort of a general -- sort of a veiled reference to terrorism. but it was queconveniently ther. i think he made it possible that as they understood what happened in the ground later it might be extremism. we know today from what we understand that general petraeus said behind closed doors that he believed from the first day so there was clearly some indication that there was a terrorist attack and they were sorting through it. >> multiple strains of intelligence and it took a while to sort through and verify as it often does. ambassador rice, she's been skewered by congressman ro
rohrbacher. i went back and looked at her statements, she said that this was reaction to cairo. she said it was hijacked by either libyan extremists or al qaeda affiliated groups. do you get a sense after today that some of the members have changed their thinking? >> you know, i think at this point, the republicans who were determined to not allow her to be the second of state, if, in fact, that is what the president chooses, they may change their minds. we knew it would continue to go on attack against ambassador rice was not just that she talked about protests, but took it a step further. the vice chair of the intelligence committee on these issues tries to be nonparents,
we said that al qaeda has deputy decimated by the obama administration. even if she couldn't talk about it because it was classified, she knew there was a possibility that al qaeda was very much involved in this. that is part of the reason why they say they are continuing to blame this on politics. not maybe as extreme as what we heard from the congressman. >> what is your assessment of rice on the sunday talk shows? >> the talking points were not entirely accurate, and she made this sound much clearer than the talking points she was probably given. >> thank you very much. coming up, explosion, fire on an oil platform on the gulf. how much oil has spilled, next. [ camera clicks ] ♪ it's hard to resist the craveable nature of a nature valley sweet & salty nut bar.
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new explosions happening right now in gaza. let's go to our own sara sidener. >> we saw behind us what looked like a ball of fire. i'll move out of shot here. it was an absolutely bone rattling blast, and we all fell to the floor. okay. [ bleep ]. what we now know, we think that the building it hit was perhaps a police headquarters that used to be the -- the office where
you would pick up your passport in years past, but this has been the closest strike to us that we've seen. we're not quite sure, because we did not hear the telltale signs of an air strike, so we're not exactly sure what went on in there. a couple of very, very strong blasts and a ball of fire coming up, and also looked like there were sparks, so that might indicate there were perhaps some explosives or something inside whatever building was hit. we are also hearing the sounds of drones overhead. it sounds almost like a lawn mower, and you can hear those every now and then. we have seen the drones that the israeli military uses. i was looking at what they can do. absolutely amazing how clear of a picture that those drones can get much that speaks to targeted air strikes. looking for specific places and just now they hit two pretty hard. >> this is a 360 bulletin.
11 people thurt on explosion and hire on an oil platform in the gulf of mexico. two crew members are still missing. the coast guard says 28 gallons of fuel spilled into the area 20 miles off the coast of grand isle, louisiana. the boss anyian immigrant convicted in the plan to bomb the new york city subway system has been convicted and will receive life in prison. during sentencing today, he chanted passages from the koran and criticized the united states. and a 360 follow. another person has died after contracting fungal meningitis from can tam naturedsteroid injections and the total number of cases is now 480 and 33 deaths. and hostess announced the company is shutting down for good, blaming a strike by
business doing his paper route. at first jackson thought it was a dog, but that is certainly no dog. that is a goat. a crazy-eyed, skragly, possibly demonic goat. >> it was dark and i saw this, like, figure and then it made a weird noise kind of like a grunting noise. >> seriously, what is wrong with that goat? can we see that part again, please? >> if there are easily frightened children watch or people with heart trouble or anxiety disorders, you my want to look away, because i think we'll have to see that slowed down. >> just imagine you're 14 years old and you're on your bike and trying to do your paper route and that thing appears out of nowhere. >> and i look overed and i thought what the heck is that? >> it freaked me out when it stood up and wrapped its front legs around me and pulled me
off. >> it wrapped his legs around the guy. jackson, who i think we can all agree is a brave and valiant paper boy, ran from said goat and climbed up a tree where he sat for more than an hour looked in a staring contest with the creepy goat. >> i've seen a lot of creepy goats on youtube like this one. >> for my money, the darker goat is even creepier and poor jackson was in a battle of wills with this face and then the police got involved. >> he hadn't returned from a paper route and was an hour and a half overdue. he had his paper bag sitting in the tree where he was and he was half way up the tree. >> no one got hurt and the goat is back home and jackson is taking some ribbing from his friends and everybody was, like, hey goat boy. hi, guys. they're, like, why are you scared of goats and i'm, like, that was a freaky goat and i think it was possessed or something. >> jackson, you deserve some kind of a medal, frankly, i think i'll have nightmares the rest of my life just from the video.